Bird Man
"None are more enslaved than
those who falsely believe they are free."
-Goethe
9/11 - The attacks that occurred on the ground
There have been numerous firsthand reports of car bombs going off in
the streets on 9/11 as panic caused by the aircraft impacts rapidly
spread across the city.
It's now clear that 9/11 had all the signs of having been an
"Operation Northwood"-type event. As many of you are aware,
the plans for this elaborately planned False Flag operation
(Northwood) called for a remote controlled "airliner" --
purportedly carrying American "students", but in
reality empty of passengers -- to be detonated in close
proximity to Cuba. The Cuban MiGs would be blamed for
"shooting" it down, thereby "justifying" an American
invasion of that country. The amazing thing is
that this diabolical scheme was approved by the entire
Joint Chiefs of Staff and endorsed by Defense Secretary
Robert McNamara. Only JFK's refusal to sign-off on this
lunatic endeavor prevented it from being
carried out. Yes, it came that close to execution.
What's even more incredible about "Northwood" was
that the plan called for gangs of paid "terrorists" to
actually run wild through Miami's streets
shooting innocent American civilians in order to
exacerbate the effect of Cuban "hostility" by terrifying
innocent American citizens and thereby
galvanize maximum support at home for the
planned invasion.
Researchers have known for years of car bombs going
off 9/11 on the streets of New York city. While there
have been numerous firsthand accounts of randomly
exploding parked vehicles (see interview below with
an NY paramedic), there really hasn't been any hard
evidence of this kind of mayhem that I've been aware
of - until a colleague sent me this incredible clip just today.
This 5-minute video proves, incontrovertibly,
that not only were explosives-laden vehicles
apprehended by the NYPD, their Israeli occupants
were actually arrested - and later released:
The world now knows that on 9/11, five Israelis were arrested
who were dancing atop a white van, filming the aircraft
impacts and gleefully celebrating this horrific event.
Referred to by the media as "The Dancing
Israelis", they were arrested by NYPD officers when the
occupant of a nearby apartment called the authorities to
report this disturbing spectacle (the lady who made the
report is also interviewed in the clip
below).
One of the men arrested told the police,
"We are Israelis. We are not your
enemy. The Palestinians are your enemy".
The van they were in tested positive for traces of explosives.
What's really amazing is that these men were all quickly
released -- as we now know, on the orders of America's
current Homeland Security chief, Michael
Chertoff, an Israeli citizen and the son of a Mossad agent.
Three of the five men appeared on Israeli television
a few months later, and when asked what they were
doing in New York, answered: "We were sent
to New York to record the event."
The interviewer never asked the men
who it was that sent them(!)
All of this is now commonly known.
What's new and truly shocking in this newly
discovered video clip is that several other groups of
Israelis were also arrested by the FBI and NYPD on
9/11 who were trying to blow up the George
Washington Bridge, and who
actually exploded a van on King Street near
6th & 7th.
All the Israelis arrested on 9/11 worked for
"Urban Moving Systems", whose
owner, Dominic Suter, fled to Israel when he
found out the FBI wanted to
question him. Suter never returned.
Since 9/11, more than 60 Israelis were either
arrested or detained under the new "Anti-Terrorism Law".
Several of these men were active Israeli
military personnel. Many of those detained failed
polygraph tests. When the FBI was asked for details
about these men, an agent told reporters:
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified.
I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered.
It is classified information."
This is an extremely revealing video that's about as
close as we're likely
to get to proving direct Israeli involvement in 9/11.
Watch it here:
More proof of exploding vehicles,
explosions inside building lobbies...
In an exclusive interview, Ground Zero EMT
(Emergency Medical Technician)
Patricia Ondrovic talks about her harrowing day
at the WTC on 9/11. Within minutes after the
South Tower collapsed, Ondrovic witnessed WTC-5 blowing
up, cars exploding, and explosions inside the lobby
of WTC-6. And Car bombs.
Clearly, 9/11 was designed to cause maximum
mayhem and thoroughly terrorize even civilians in the streets
- exactly as in the Operation Northwood plan.
Ms. Ondrovic can be reached at: fieldangel911@yahoo.com
9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC-6 Lobby
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/
911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html
"...I saw a series of flashes around the
[WTC Building 6] ceiling of the lobby all going off one-by-one like the X-mass
lights that 'chase' in pattern...The pops were at the same time as the flashes..."
"As I was running, parked cars were blowing up...
there was a loud bang as
the door flew off the one car I was running past..
.I got hit with the
door...I don't know what was causing them to blow up..."
-Ground Zero EMT
(Emergency Medical Technician) Patricia Ondrovic
Arriving at the Scene
Killtown: Where you one of the Ground Zero rescuers on 9/11?
Patricia Ondrovic: Yes.
KT: What was your position and who did you work for?
PO: I was an emergency medical technician [EMT]
with the Fire Department of New York.
KT: How did your day start off on Sept. 11 and when
did you get called to the scene at the WTC?
PO: It started off like any other. I had dropped a
patient off at Bellevue and one of the Doc's asked if I
was going to respond to the WTC. I told
him it was out of my area. I asked "why, what's going on?"
He told me they were getting reports that "a helicopter"
had crashed into one of the towers. I responded after both
planes had hit. I was on scene approx 45 min before the
first tower fell.
[The 2nd crash happened at approx 9:03 a.m. and the
South tower fell at approx 9:59 a.m.]
KT: Was the WTC area part of your regular route?
PO: No, I worked in the Times Square area.
The WTC was far downtown from where I was.
KT: What did you immediately do once you
arrived at the scene and do you
remember where exactly you arrived at?
PO: I reported to a staging officer who told me to park
the ambulance along Vesey Street. I ended up parking
along the street in front of the 6 World Trade with several
other ambulances. We were going to get any
injured people who were brought out of the burning
buildings to transport to the hospital. I don't remember where
we entered from as I was not so familiar with the area.
Another Airplane Warning
KT: Did you basically stay around that area
before the South Tower collapsed at 9:59 am?
PO: Yes, we were staged waiting for the triage teams to
bring us patients when an officer in a white shirt and blue
pants (don't know from what agency) said that there was
a radio transmission that stated, "Another
plane was headed towards us!" We were told to get to our
vehicles and get ready to move fast, but it wasn't fast enough.
All of a sudden there was a lot of activity within the several
agencies there and everyone started to
scramble to ready their respective vehicles.
KT: When you were told another aircraft was approaching,
was this right before the South Tower collapsed?
PO: Maybe 3 to 5 minutes prior. I don't know if that estimation
is correct, but I remember we all had time to take a minute and
look into the skies all around to see if we could see anything.
KT: Did you see any planes in the sky?
PO: No, there was nothing in the skies at that time.
KT: Did you happen to see any helicopters, military or
non-military, flying around?
PO: I didn't see any helicopters at the time either.
KT: Where did they want you to move your vehicles too,
any particular spot, or just "away" from the WTC?
PO: "Just get ready to move fast" is the phrase I remember.
KT: Did they want you to move away from the area right away,
or just get ready to move if another plane was coming in?
PO: I don't know, they just told us to get our equipment,
put it back in the vehicles and "get ready to move...fast".
At that point, they seemed to realize it just wasn't a safe
place to be.
KT: In retrospect, did it seem a little too coincidental that they told
all of the rescuers to get ready to move out of the area minutes before
the Tower collapsed?
PO: It was a bit eerie at the time as well. In that job, when someone
tells you to "just move fast" there's nothing to question, you just move.
We had been on scene for a while before just setting up and waiting for
patients and all of a sudden there was so much activity. It did seem odd
that after being there for some time all of a sudden everyone had to get
ready to get out. I personally never expected the buildings to come down.
KT: Did you receive any direct warnings or hear any rumors that any of the
towers might be coming down?
PO: We were not told the building was possibly going to collapse. I did
not hear any rumors about a building collapse. I never heard anyone say
anything to the effect that any of the buildings in the area were not
stable at the time. We were simply told to get to our vehicles and get
ready to move.
KT: Was Vesey Street blocked off between Church St and West St?
PO: Yes, I think all that were there were fire, police, EMS, and OEM
[Office Emergency Management].
KT: Did you ever see any videos or cameras being confiscated from anyone
that day?
PO: No.
KT: Did you see any newscasters or any other media people on or near Vesey
taking any footage?
PO: No, none that I could see.
Cars Blowing Up
KT: What did you do when the South Tower started coming down?
PO: I didn't know what was happening, but there was a loud "roar" -- lots
of crashing sounds. I was attempting to put my stretcher back into the
vehicle. The ground was shaking and I saw a sea of people, mostly the
various agencies on scene, Fire, Police, EMS, all running towards me. I
had no idea what they were running from, but I decided I'd be ahead of
them and just started running west towards the river. As I was running,
parked cars were blowing up and some were on fire, the street was cracking
a bit as well. Very shortly after I started running, everything became one
big black cloud. I was near the West Side Highway and I couldn't see
around me anymore.
KT: Before you heard the loud rumbling which was the South Tower coming
down, do you remember hearing any strange noises like gunfire or crackling
sounds?
PO: No.
KT: You talked about the cars blowing up in your WTC Task Force interview,
correct?
PO: Yes.
KT: Can you estimate how many vehicles blew up around you?
PO: At least three and some were on fire as I was running by. I was still
on the south side of Vesey running west. The burning cars were between my
ambulance and about the middle of the 6 World Trade where the lobby doors
were at.
KT: Where you running on the street, or up the sidewalk?
PO: Up the sidewalk.
KT: When these vehicles blew up, was it kind of like what you would see in
the movies where the vehicle pops up in the air when it explodes with a
fireball coming out?
PO: I remember parts flying off -- I think I got hit with a car door. I
remember they were also on fire, but I don't specifically recall the movie
type fireball, but there was a loud bang as the door flew off the one car
I was running past.
KT: Do you have any idea what was causing these vehicles to catch on fire
and/or explode? Was the air temperature really hot as you were running by
these cars?
PO: I don't know what was causing them to blow up. I didn't know at the
time that I was trying to outrun a skyscraper falling on me, but after I
found out what I ran from. I figured it was the impact of the building
falling and residual effect. I am not an engineer, so I can only guess at
a probable cause. I don't remember feeling any extreme heat.
KT: Could you tell if the vehicles blowing up on the street were only
parked next to the WTC 6?
PO: I was only paying attention to my immediate surroundings, if there
were any vehicles not near me blowing up, I wasn't aware of them, just the
ones closest to me.
KT: What type of vehicles were they (cars, SUVs, trucks -- civilian,
non-civilian) that were on fire or had blown up?
PO: They were unmarked cars, most likely privately owned. I didn't see any
SUVs, trucks or any "official" vehicles on fire.
KT: Were these cars all parked next to each other?
PO: They were parallel parked. There was no discernable order to what was
on fire. It was all very chaotic.
Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby
KT: You mentioned you were running west on Vesey Street, what happened
after that?
PO: I just kept running. I was aware there were other people running as
well. After passing the cars on fire, I was trying to find someplace safe.
I tried to run into the lobby of 6 World Trade, but there were federal
police -- maybe 4 to 6 of them -- standing in the open doorways. As I
tried to run in, they wouldn't let me, waving me out, telling me "you
can't come in here, keep running." As I turned to start running west
again, I saw a series of flashes around the ceiling of the lobby all going
off one-by-one like the X-mass lights that "chase" in pattern. I think I
started running faster at that point.
KT: Did you hear any "popping" sounds when each of these flashes in the
WTC 6 lobby were going off?
PO: Yes, that part was like a movie. The pops were at the same time as the
flashes.
KT: Can you estimate either how many flashes you saw or how many of these
"pops" you heard inside this lobby?
PO: At least 6 before I was turned away.
KT: Could you still hear any of these explosions when you turned to run
back out, or was the noise outside too loud?
PO: I don't recall hearing any more when I resumed running. It was very
chaotic.
KT: Now to be clear, were you inside the Lobby of the WTC 6, or were you
outside the building when you witnessed these what appeared to be
explosions?
PO: I was in the doorway, but not inside the lobby. I remember being able
to breathe the somewhat cleaner air coming from inside the building. They
stopped me as I was trying to get past the threshold.
KT: Were the explosions going off as you were entering the lobby area, or
did they seem to start going off after the police tried to turn you away?
PO: It all happened at the same time. As I got to the doorway, I was told
not to come in. As the officer was telling me I couldn't get in the
building the flashes starting going off.
KT: Where the police just right at the lobby door, or were some also way
inside the building?
PO: There were probably 4-5 officers in the doorway. I could see a few
others back in the lobby area.
KT: You said you saw "federal police." What exactly do you mean and did
you find it strange they were in there and that they wouldn't let you in?
PO: Well, they were in light brown uniforms and "Smokey the bear" hats. I
assumed they were federal police because NYC police don't look like that
and I knew there was a lot of federal offices in the WTC as well as the
surrounding area, so it wasn't strange to me to see them there, but I did
find it very odd that they wouldn't let me in to get cover. But like I
say, in that profession, someone tells you to go an opposite way you are
going, you don't ask, you just go. I remember hoping they got out as I was
watching whatever the small explosions were, because they stayed in the
building. They weren't locking it up after evacuating or anything like
that.
KT: Did you know which government agencies were in the WTC?
PO: I knew there were a lot of federal agencies in the WTC complex, but I
don't know which ones specifically.
KT: Did these policemen run out of the WTC 6 lobby after these explosions
occurred, or could you tell?
PO: It didn't look like they did. It looked like they were there making
sure no one ran in like I tried to do. I remember seeing them in the
doorway, but don't know what happened to them after that.
KT: Did you happen to notice if they were wearing any earplugs or any
other uncommon protective gear?
PO: There was nothing that I could see. They appeared to be dressed to
simply do lobby detail. No flack wear, no overcoats, no helmets. To this
day, I still wonder if they got out.
KT: Did you think these explosions in the lobby were maybe lights popping
out as in an electrical surge, or did they seem more like explosives going
off in a timed manner?
PO: I immediately got the impression they were timed explosives. I have
never thought they were anything else, not then, not now.
KT: Have you ever seen a building being demolished with explosives on TV
and was the flashes and pops similar to that?
PO: It did remind me of just that. I had seen something on a Las Vegas
casino being demolished and that's what it reminded me of.
KT: Can you try to describe what these "pops" you heard sounded like?
PO: They sounded like light bulbs popping, but there were no light
fixtures where the explosions were coming from. The sound was not all that
loud.
KT: Do you think these explosions you witnessed were loud enough to be
heard on the street?
PO: Because of everything going on, I don't think these "pops" could have
been heard from the street. It was definitely louder outside as a whole.
KT: At the time, who did you think planted these explosives in there?
PO: I didn't have any notions of where to put blame per se, but I remember
thinking that it was possibly the same organization who tried to blow up
the building back in 1993. I figured they came back to finish the job. At
the time I was running, I remember thinking that "they" wired the whole
area. At the time I wasn't aware that what made the towers catch fire were
passenger jets crashing. I thought the buildings had bombs planted to go
off that day. The idea of not only one passenger jet, but two took me a
while to comprehend -- not to mention the pentagon as well.
KT: Can you estimate how long after you heard the load rumbling, which was
the South Tower coming down, to when you witnessed these explosives going
off in the WTC 6? PO: Well, remember this was all on the same street I was
parked. It is very difficult for me to estimate time with so much
happening at once, but I want to say maybe 2 to 3 minutes from the
rumbling and the ground, and the cars, and the fires, that I tried to run
into 6 WTC for cover, which is when I saw those explosions.
KT: Did anybody else besides you and the police witness these explosions
in the WTC 6 lobby?
PO: I imagine there must have been others to see, I wasn't the only one
running up the street. I can't imagine being the only person to try to run
for cover. I didn't see any "civilians" in the lobby of the 6, just the
brown uniformed officers.
Motorola Radio Troubles
KT: After you witnessed the explosions in the lobby of the WTC 6, you
started running in which direction and then what happened?
PO: I kept running west on Vesey. I got hit with the cloud shortly after
being turned away from 6 WTC. I was probably at the corner of Vesey/West
Street at that point running. I ran towards the West Side Highway -- there
is a park area there. I remember running across grass and there was now
lots of grey and black smoke. I was just trying to get to the water
because nothing was exploding, or on fire from what I could see. There
were lots and lots of people also running that way at this point.
KT: When were you able to escape the dust cloud and what happened after that?
PO: I was now at the water's edge. There were no boats I could see, so I
started to run north along the side of the West Side Highway. I was about
9 or 10 blocks north of Vesey on the West Side Highway. I found the first
FDNY EMS vehicle and knew the crew as they were also from my station. I
remember not being able to breathe so well -- felt like someone was
standing on my chest. When I looked back, I could see people coming out of
the black cloud and continuing to run and walk north on the West Side
Highway as well.
KT: Did you notice any firefighters or other rescuers having technical
problems with their Motorola radios or any other equipment?
PO: Oh yeah, at one point there was a loud "buzzing" sound and none of the
EMS radios worked for maybe 30 seconds? We all used Motorola radios and I
believe our repeaters were on top of the towers, so when the tower came
down our radios failed. I tried to use my cellphone, but that too did not
work.
KT: Do you know if anybody's cellphone worked and were able to get through
to anybody?
PO: A few of my co workers had Nextel phones. Theirs worked, but they
couldn't talk to anyone who didn't have a Nextel because all the other
services were out at the time.
KT: When did you get to leave the area to go home?
PO: I left by ambulance. A FDNY EMS supervisor came up to myself and my
colleagues and told us to "go back in." I still wasn't aware of what I had
come out of and I told him anyone who didn't get out isn't getting out and
it's not safe to go back in. He yelled at me, demanding all 3 of us "go
back in." I told him I was having chest pain and trouble breathing and my
colleagues took me to St. Vincent's Hospital. I was on the stretcher with
an oxygen mask on looking out the back windows as we were driving off and
saw the other tower collapse. It didn't occur to me at the time that the
other one was already gone and that's what I came out of. I don't remember
when I got home. I had to walk over the Queensboro Bridge and it was dark
out. I walked home from my station at Bellevue. I lived in Astoria, Queens
at the time. All I wanted to do was get home and see my cats.
Bag & Tag at Ground Zero
KT: In the days after, did you have to go back at Ground Zero?
PO: Yes, I think my first day back was maybe 3 days later.
KT: What were your duties when you had to go back?
PO: We all took turns doing morgue detail, standby for anyone who got hurt
going through the rubble. I did morgue detail a few times.
KT: Is this what is referred to as "bag & tag"?
PO: Yes, when you have to log any body parts, or personal effects in
morgue work. It was important to try to document any remains we found.
KT: Now despite this being probably the most chaotic incident you had to
work at, did you find any strange things when you're recovering evidence
there?
PO: Well, I remember cataloging findings in the morgue log -- a tooth, an
arm and such. Never catalogued watches, wallets or jewelry.
KT: You never found any jewelry on any of the victim's parts?
PO: I didn't, no. But I do recall at some point either in Brooklyn or
Staten Island they had a facility where debris was trucked to and the
contents sifted by hand for any evidence. That was some time after 9/11,
maybe a few weeks after they started that.
KT: Did you find any personal belongings on the ground or buried under any
debris?
PO: I didn't.
KT: What about things like office furniture, computers, and pictures --
things that would be in a normal office building?
PO: Everything was this sort of grey/black debris. I personally never saw
anything definable like a chair, desk, or phone, but I never went into
what was the base of the building itself, there could have been there. I
remember everything being layered in grey soot and ashes everywhere and
just debris. One thing I remember distinctly was on a corner adjacent to
the towers a bike messenger's bicycle still chained to the lamppost
covered in soot.
KT: Have you ever worked a recover detail where you didn't find any
recognizable personal belongings or objects like interior furniture, say
from the aftermath of a fire?
PO: I never worked a recovery detail before that. It wasn't customary for
EMS to work recovery. From time to time we would have to transport a body
to the morgue after an investigation was completed if the deceased was in
public view. I worked in midtown. In the 12 years I was with EMS, I never
responded to anything like that.
KT: A year after the attacks, a victim's family received an ATM card that
belonged to their son who was supposedly on Flight 11 that crashed into
the North Tower and was supposedly found in relative pristine condition by
rescue crews at Ground Zero. Did you ever come across anything even
remotely close to someone's personal item like this in any condition?
PO: I never came across any personal effects. The things I did find were
charred, burnt, rubble covered in soot. I guess that's the needle in the
haystack [the ATM card].
KT: So is it fair to say that you think something like this plastic ATM
could not only not survive at Ground Zero, but not survive so well intact?
PO: I'd say it was a miracle.
Aircraft Wreckage
KT: Did you ever see any aircraft wreckage lying around on or after 9/11
at Ground Zero.
PO: Not on 9/11, but a bit after one day I was doing standby and there was
a long flatbed truck bringing out a long piece of silver and charred
metal, probably the length of 2 passenger cars, that one of the police
officers doing standby detail with us brought to my attention and he said
it was a piece of the plane.
KT: Could you at all tell what part of the plane this piece of debris you
saw on this truck came from and could you see any windows or other
discernable markings?
PO: No, it had to be brought to my attention what it was. In fact, I
forgot I saw that until you asked the question. It would have stuck in my
memory if it was a wing, or seats or anything like that. It was a somewhat
long and curved at the edges piece of what looked like fuselage. I didn't
see any company markings on it either.
KT: You mentioned this piece was silver in color. Did any part of that
piece of silver debris you saw have any of the "shiny silver" you would
see on your average American Airlines plane?
PO: Not when I saw it. The entire piece was dull and charred silver, but
it definitely looked like part of a plane.
KT: Did anybody you know of who was at the WTC on 9/11 or at Ground Zero
afterwards see or find any airplane debris?
PO: Not that I'm aware of. No one mentioned anything like that to me.
WTC Task Force Interview
KT: You were interviewed by the WTC task force afterwards. Did anybody
else interview you about your experience at ground zero?
PO: The WTC Task Force was the only group that ever interviewed or
debriefed me. They asked me to detail the events that day as well as mark
on a map where I was parked and which way I ran.
KT: Who were the people at the WTC Task Force that interviewed you?
PO: I was told one was from the F.B.I., one was from D.O.I. [Dept. of
Investigations], one was P.D. I recall there were 4 to 5 people involved.
They were writing as well as voice recording.
KT: Do you know why some of the lines on pages 9, 12, 13 of your Task
Force interview were blacked out?
PO: No, I never received a copy of my interview and I never read it. All I
did was the one interview with them.
KT: When these officials were debriefing you, was this a normal routine
after an incident?
PO: I had been on other calls that I was debriefed after (not many) and
usually it was an EMS supervisor with P.D. if it was a crime scene, or if
I had witnessed a crime, or incident in progress.
KT: Was your interview with the WTC Task Force more of a normal
debriefing, or did you feel like you were being interrogated?
PO: I felt as if they were trying to pick apart every minute detail from
every possible angle.
KT: Did you find that odd, especially having to trace your movements on a
map?
PO: It was a crime scene, so much was lost. I figured they still had to
recover equipment and needed to document. I think I was still a bit shell
shocked to really consider it. There were so many things that were odd
then, nothing was normal.
KT: Did you mention the flashes and explosions going off in the lobby of
the WTC 6 to them?
PO: Yes, I did. I remember describing what looked like depth charges going
off in the building I tried to run into, but I don't see it in the
transcript of my interview.
KT: Did they ask you any follow-up questions about these explosions?
PO: No, they asked me to describe the events as I have described them to
you here. I don't recall them asking any follow up questions. They simply
took notes all the way through. The only specific questions I remember
being asked was in regards to mapping out where my vehicle was and which
way I ran.
WTC 5 Blowing Up
KT: On the Task Force interview, you said "I was still on Vesey, cause the
building that blew up on me was on Vesey." Which building were you
refering to?
PO: I don't know, but that is all WTC property. I'm not sure if that was 6
or just a part of the WTC complex.
KT: When you said the building "blew up" on you, are you talking about the
explosions you saw in the WTC 6 lobby?
PO: No, this was directly behind my vehicle as I was trying to put the
stretcher back in. I don't know if that was part of 6 though. I ran from
what was blowing up and that's when I tried to run into the lobby of 6.
The vehicles were parked backed up to the curb, not parallel parked, so
the back doors of the ambulance were facing the building [WTC 6] on the
south side of Vesey.
KT: Do you feel that it was either the WTC 5 or 6 that was blowing up?
PO: Yes.
KT: Was this before the cars started catching on fire and blowing up, or
about at the same time?
PO: All at the same time. Everything happened very quickly. I couldn't say
which came first.
KT: You mentioned in that interview that you thought one of the lobbies of
the building behind you is what blew out. Was this the lobby of WTC 5 or
6?
PO: I'm not sure, but it was probably 5 because 6 was west of me and
that's the lobby I tried to run into.
KT: Can you describe more about how the building blew up on you? Did you
feel the shock wave from the explosion and/or debris falling down near
you?
PO: Well, one second I was trying to put my stretcher into the ambulance,
the next thing I know I am thrown to the ground as the ground was shaking.
Debris was flying at me from where the building I was parked in front of.
There was a continual loud rumbling, there was just debris flying from
every direction and then everything being covered in the black and gray
smoke.
KT: Let's recap real quickly; your ambulance was parked backed up against
the WTC 6, near the 6's corner by the alleyway between the WTC 5 and 6.
When you were trying to put your stretcher back in, you were knocked down
to the ground by an explosion that you thought came from the lobby of WTC
5. When you got back up, you started running west up the sidewalk on Vesey
St towards West Side Hwy and then these cars parked along the street
started blowing up as you ran by and that's when you tried to duck into
the WTC 6 lobby for cover, but these policemen inside where preventing you
from coming in and that's when you saw the explosions inside the lobby of
WTC 6?
PO: Yes.
KT: Did anybody else you know concur with you that either the WTC 5 or 6
was blowing up at the same time you heard the rumbling of the South Tower
collapsing?
PO: No, it never came up in discussion.
KT: After the attacks when things were starting to settle down for you and
after the government and media was telling us what had all happened, did
you ever look back and think what were all those explosions from the WTC 5
and 6 you witnessed were all about and why there was never any official
mention of them?
PO: No, I didn't watch the news. I was a bit shell shocked to say the
least. In fact the very first time I have revisited that day was when I
found your site.
WTC 7
KT: You mentioned you left the WTC area before the North Tower collapsed,
when did you hear about the WTC 7 collapsing, in which you were parked
across them street from?
PO: When I stumbled onto your site 3 weeks ago.
KT: Did that surprise you that you never heard about the WTC 7 collapsing
afterwards?
PO: Actually, it did. It confused me somewhat because I don't remember
seeing anything on the news about it, or even knowing it was in any type
of unstable condition.
KT: So you weren't aware that another building had collapse (which was WTC
7) when you returned to Ground Zero for morgue detail?
PO: No I wasn't. There was so much debris and wreckage I couldn't tell
what was what anymore.
KT: When you were on the scene on Vesey St that whole time, did you happen
to notice anything, commotion or anything strange going on near the WTC 7?
PO: No.
Colleagues Lost
KT: Were you ever invited to the 9/11 Commission hearings?
PO: No.
KT: Were you ever gagged by anybody from talking about anything related to
9/11?
PO: No, I wasn't.
KT: Are you concerned that you might loose your job by speaking out on
these issues?
PO: No, not at this time.
KT: Have you suffered any health effects from working down at Ground Zero?
PO: I broke a couple of ribs, but didn't realize it till 3 days later. I
had, like most of my colleagues, the "WTC cough" for several months. It
was an extremely annoying dry hack that didn't produce anything, but acted
more like "spasms" rather than a cough. You'd get awakened in the middle
of the night with this cough that sometimes would have you near passing
out and unable to catch your breath. Over time it has dissipated, thanks
gods.
KT: Did you lose any colleagues at Ground Zero?
PO: I stopped counting at 60.
"The issue of knowing who was really behind the 9/11 attacks is of
paramount importance to the future of our country, because the 'official'
assumption that it was the work of 19 Arab amateurs does not match the
available facts... Surely [this] constitutes more than sufficient
motivation for any patriotic American physicist or engineer to join the
search for 9/11 Truth!"
David L. Griscom, PhD - Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval
Research Laboratory in Washington, DC, after 33 years service. Fellow of
the American Physical Society. Fulbright-García Robles Fellow. Visiting
professorships of research at the Universities of Paris and
Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology. Adjunct
Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona.
Winner of the 1993 N.F. Mott Award sponsored by theJournal of
Non-Crystalline Solids, the 1995 Otto Schott Award offered by the
Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung (Germany), a 1996 Outstanding Graduate School Alumnus
Award at Brown University, and the 1997 Sigma Xi Pure Science Award at NRL.
Principal author of 109 of his 185 published works, a body of work
which is highly cited by his peers. Officially credited with largest
number of papers (5) by any author on list of 100 most cited articles
authored at NRL between 1973 and 1988.
Demand a new investigation. Stand up. Be counted.
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